Jan 28 class break out room

 Karlie Jahn, Salem Smith, Alaina Taylor, Daniella Colon-Cosme

  • Disability is seen as a unspoken topic
  • Sickness and disability is seen as unnatural- makes it feel not human
  • Docs the negative represintation of them
  • Can be truly empowering with those that are well known and how they were made known by the things that came from their disabilities 
  • Disability is seen as a double edged sword that can empower or dehumanize
  • The depictions of historical and religious figures in Christian works are seen as perfect and unobtainable which is just untrue 
  • That disabilities are shown as grotesque and disgusting when depicted 
  • Tv and medias are now warming up to the idea of disabilities being positive ie. powerpuff girls and not having to take a gender norm job due to their lack of fingers

Karlie Jahn’s Response to Harper Lee’s “To Kill a Mockingbird”

Something we have talked about a lot in class was the abundance of authors writing in disabled characters. Although unfortunately not for the usage of having a diverse collection of characters, but rather so the main characters had something to use as a scapegoat or a means to an end. The idea of authors setting up disabled characters as less than human in the eyes of the reader and in the eyes of the other characters. We see instances like this in multiple stories we have read this semester. Everything from the Monster in Frankenstein, Lennie in Of Mice and Men and how he is related to a dog on multiple encounters, and how Boo Radley is seen as a sort of animal in a cage for children to look at in To Kill a Mockingbird

The Monster in Frankenstein is seen as this horrible monster that’s only purpose in life was to be seen as an outcast. In all the renditions of this story it is always the towns people turning against the Monster because of how horrible he looked. He was put off as a less than human monstrosity, when in every story all he wanted was love. Love which is a very human want, but due to the way the people looked at him was unattainable. Lennie from Of Mice and Men laid out very plainly for the readers to see that Lennie was to be seen as nothing more than a dog. From multiple characters saying as much when talking about him, to the way Lennie was killed. He was “put down” in the very same fashion as Candy’s dog was put down when he was too old to continue. Basically telling the readers that it’s better to be dead than to have to live the way Lennie was. 

The characterization of Boo Radley in To Kill a Mockingbird is set up in a way to make him seem less than human. The best way it has ever been described to me was as if he is the town’s cryptid. Nothing more than a story to scare children into acting right, the only problem is he is a real person in this town. He is obviously caring in how he treated Scout when she was out in the cold, or how he stitched up Jem’s pants when they tore on the fence. Boo Radley is more than just the name in the town. Although the way the Finch children have gone from frightened by his name alone to an almost fondness does not bode well for Boo Radley. It feels like the Finch children almost now treat him like an animal in a cage they can “Oh” and “Ah” over. He is simplified to nothing more than an animal they fawn over. 

While all of these stories are seen as classics in the eyes of literature, it feels wrong to see these stories come to life in the eyes of disability literature. They were once held at high esteem for a lot of people, but due to the nature of the characters the authors have so easily dehumanized, it now feels wrong. Seeing that some of the most well known characters are those that are disabled, but widely made fun of in the books is upsetting. There needs to be a greater shift to disabled literature where the main character is disabled and just as human as those without the disabilities in the book. A story that is just as popular, if not more than those that have pushed disabled characters to be comic relief or the bad guy like Frankenstien, Of Mice and Men, or To Kill a Mockingbird.

Word Count: 614

Breakout room 3/10/24

Lanie, Lu, Shane, and Haley

  • When someone is disabled, their future is actually decided for them
  • Disabled people do not get a lot of say in what they want
  • Instead of wanting to do best for disabled people, non-disabled people want to do what would make their own lives easier 
  • “Your disability is causing ME all these problems”
  • It is like they are punishing people for having a disability
  • Forced assimilation 
  • Prosthetics are used for cosmetic purposes instead of actual aid as a way to conform 
  • People with cochlear implants are treated poorly within the deaf and hearing communities because deaf communities say they are basically hearing, but hearing people do not consider them to be same as them
  • Children with Deaf/HOH say they are aligned with deaf community and there’s debates on if that is okay or not
  • Parents of disabled children want to be rewarded for being parents of disabled children because they see disability as a bad thing
  • Parents/non-disabled people make it all about themselves instead of asking what disabled people want

Thoughts on Lahiri

Bibi’s story is deeply disturbing for a number of reasons, but what stands out the most to me is the “cure” proposed for Bibi and the assumption of female hysteria. Bibi’s life long battle with epilepsy was assumed to be cured by a man, and to put it quite literally, sex with a man. Yes, this is something Bibi wanted, to be recognized as a “true woman” and find a husband to be married, but the placement of that as her only hope is really disturbing. Bibi goes through this entire story. carefully monitored, watched, and even assisted by the other women, who try to make her feel as if she is able to be “one of them” despite the stigma and assumptions made about her condition. It’s only when Bibi finds a man and becomes pregnant that she is truly left alone, for months. This places Bibi in a place of isolation, worse than the one she was previously experiencing.

The rejection caused by Bibi’s epilepsy is one that is publicly recognized. This places Bibi’s pregnancy at even more of a shock, but Bibi allows that man to keep his secrets and not be known as someone who “dirtied” her or interacted with her in such an intimate way at all. Instead, she gives him the “privacy” that she herself was never afforded and continues to have to live a life of exile, despite her desire to be a mother finally being fulfilled.

Breakout Room 3/9/2021

Group Members: Elena, Lu, Keona, Katie, Sonia

Elena: Models erase experiences
Sonia: Models create limits, boxes someone in
Keona: No one lived experience, any category creates limits
Elena: relation to Language and Gender
Katie: Limiting potential
Katie: No one experience is the same and that discredits models
Lu: social model doesn’t put the blame on disabled, but they can apply it to any person, which can be harmful. Some things are reserved for certain groups (CODA example). Self-ableism
Elena: education is privilege, higher chance of lack of access if in oppressed group, relates back to shaving legs
Sonia: Ease of discrimination (not putting in a ramp example), pretty scary how subtle discrimination can be
Katie: Awareness increased by this class
Lu: gov’t determines who gets benefits, great controversy because of that, article sent about abortions and down syndrome
Sonia: ties into imagined futures, making the decision for the child
Elena: lack of autonomy, multitude of reasons for abortion after finding out child has autism, chronic illness and pain don’t like model of disability b/c it erases their experience. All ties into capitalism!!
Lu: we can’t define things for other people– imagined futures, no one asks how disabled person feels about decisions
Sonia: cure or kill is back
Elena: placing worth of disabled people on their cost of existing, think about people in relation to abled lives
Katie: base disabled lives off the lives of abled people, very corrupt
Elena: bring it back to capitalism, rise of communes on TikTok (community that is egalitarian is ableist fantasy, disabled people can’t perform physical labor, which is how that society works)

TKAM
Elena: Underwood editorial and the premise of not shooting mockingbirds, similar as men saying “I would never hit a woman”, doesn’t make me feel empowered, preventing violence against women but still misguided
Sonia: relates back to “I didn’t know it was ableist”, doesn’t actually help the issue because there’s no action taken, what are you doing about that?
Elena: “band-aid fixes”, saying you’re not one way or wouldn’t do something actually addresses the issue but still comes from place that creates the issue, a lot of people don’t know what it’s like to be disabled, still others people

Sonia: blaming Tom Robinson for his death b/c of his disability, instead of the people who shot him
Elena: erases experience of disability, chances of dying would have been similar w/ escape, circumstances are dire
Katie: 17 shots was way more than needed
Elena: relates to shooting of black people, excessive shots, clearly because of racism
Keona: agrees with that, all intersections play a part in discrimination

Breakout room 2 section 2 3/9

Arden Jones, Faith Hopkins, Lily Sportsman, Nathalie Luciano, Haley Schnitzer

A: Parents always worry about the future of people with disabilities. Had personal experience, it was positive, but some don’t have that environment. Several parts struck a nerve

F: It was hard to read how people treat people with disability

A: Gives them the thought that they need to fix it. “They’re suffering” instead just put up more ramps

N: People don’t really look at it like that, they just say “poor thing” and “how can they get out of the wheelchair?” and “a tragedy” But that’s not what people with disabilities are doing.

A: People focus on what people lack instead of what they have going for them. It’s part of their identity, but they are also more than their disability

F: “personal imagination” versus “cultural imagination” it’s exactly that, imagination. We shouldn’t be “imagining” we should be asking.

A: disabled people know what’s best for disabled people. How do you know how they’re feeling if you don’t ask them?

N: Abled persons projecting how they would feel if they were disabled. Abled bodied people don’t have to worry about ramps etc. When you are abled, it’s a nightmare to see yourself as disbaled which leads us to say “we need to fix this” 

F: the study with blind folding kids and putting them in wheelchairs doesn’t do it justice. They are just temporarily blind/disabled

A: disabled people go through their daily life with these disabilities. Claiming to know it all just because you know someone who is disabled also doesn’t do it justice. You can be an ally, but don’t go as far as saying you are disabled.

N: This appears to be a trend on social media.

A: Everyone has a different experience

N: I personally don’t associate with disability but I do have invisible disability. People would say “that’s so OCD of you” which is wrong.

L: they start using it as an adjective. Like “gay” as a negative adjective, and “autistic.” 

A: In my school they used “autistic” for stupid.

F: my mother opened my eyes to autism with a student she had who was on the spectrum and ended up being the smartest kid in the class. Why is it used to call others “stupid” when they tend to be smarter than most?

A: When people base your personality on whether or not your disability is valid or not

N: Like “oh this autistic person does this, how come you don’t?” Everyone is different, that’s why there’s a spectrum

A: People would ask me to diagnose them for autism because I was, but I’m not a doctor. I know me, everyone is different. Just because you have these quirks, doesn’t mean you have it. 

To Kill a Mockingbird

F: Killing a mockingbird is a sin because it gives you a song, killing a “cripple” is a sin because they have a lesson to teach us, that connected well for me

A: I don’t know about that, a con would be that disabled people will have a lesson to teach you, but people won’t learn the lesson until something bad happens to them

H: People look at disabled people as pitiful and people w/o disability tend to validate their life through the disabled

N: You can see this in fiction too, they never show the black disabled person to be the main character. 

A: Subconscious or not, people think they don’t have much of a life to live

H: They’re the subplot to help the main realize something about life

A: At some point they become “cured” or overcome it (like “As Good As it Gets”) in which disabled people need to be cured in order to live.

Zachary Welsh’s Thoughts on To Kill a Mockingbird Chapters 22-27

Once again, it becomes even more apparent just how influential Puar’s The Right To Maim is in terms of the topics that it discusses. Talked about in Puar’s The Right To Main is the racial injustices and the discrimination that minorities (specifically African Americans in this case) must face in society. Examples of these are very evident in Tuesday’s chapters. They are not only seen when Bob Ewell accosted, spat on, and swore revenge on Miss Stephanie’s father, but also when Ewell is overheard saying “one down and about ten more to go” when speaking in reference to Tom’s death. Even more examples begin to show up when Ewell blames Atticus for his firing by telling him he was “getting” his job, and when Ewell follows Helen Robinson whispering obscenities at her as she walks. Finally, there is yet another example when after the trial, Miss Gates says that it’s about time someone taught the blacks a lesson. While these are only a few examples, it’s worth noting that these alone all happened within six chapters in a thirty one chapter book. These examples not only hearken back to Puar’s The Right To Maim, but they also go to put even more emphasis on the obstacles that minorities are faced with in society and even bring to light some of the problems in our current society.

Zachary Welsh’s Thoughts on “Symptoms” by Laurie Clements Lambeth

With her poem “Symptoms,” Lambeth not only discusses the hardships that are associated with ancient women’s clothing, but also connects said hardships to the topic of disability. Lambeth clearly states his distain for ancient women’s fashion when she states that rather than having hooks and laces, it only has “spaces of remission, then relapse,” and when she discusses how the clothing can “rub and pull naked skin, saying, ‘now and then you must try to feel through this, and this‘.” She discusses how all of the fabric that she is forced to wear oftentimes leads to her leaning on a wall for support. Lambeth then connects her poem to the topic of disability when she states that all of the clothes she must wear often leads to her sporting a cane and when she says “Fix my mouth in a loose pout when speech eludes its muscles, tired, stiff as the garments that hold me.” With these quotes, Lambeth is providing her stance on ancient woman’s clothing and how it relates to and can even cause physical disabilities. On top of this, Lambeth also provides commentary on how other people view these disabilities in the fact that’s she says “The cure is rest, they tell me.”

Alaina Taylor (Writer), Faith Hopkins (F), Lily Sportsman (L), and Arden Jones (A)

F: Points out that how there was a lot of disability that occurred on plantations that were never recorded, or if they were they were recorded by white men, so they could have altered it, making it less severe than it possibly could have, made or it more intellectual disability 

L: Accounts were definitely whitewashed, a lot of the disabilities could have been caused by someone who was white, physical, and mental. PTSD. It is easy to make the assumptions that the accounts were whitewashed

A: During that time slaves were not taught to read or write, so they could have been taken advantage of. 

L: Slaveowners might have been ashamed of their slaves’ disability

Lanie: Wilson in the reading was maimed by the slave owners to where he lost strength in his arm.

L: They could have overlooked disability because the slaves would be seen as less valuable 

A: Disability among slaves was considered normal because they were already considered lesser than, so already disabled

F: Sambose: what does it mean. Trauma shock and created the sambos effect. Causes mental trauma 

Dr. F: 

A: Makes a connection to what occurred during the holocaust 

F: Sambose was a justification for slavery, that slaves needed ‘guidance from white slave owners, because of the belief of degraded mentality 

A: Slaveowners needed to have a way to be self-justifying.  

A: Makes a connection to of Mice and Men with lenny being threatened over the wife 

F: Makes a connection to To kill a mockingbird and to Tom Robinson and the racial divide between people of color and white folks. 

A: They were frustrated with the trial result, the results made them angry because the racist jury went against Robinson even though Atticus had a good argument that should have won. 

F: Didn’t think about why they were guilty at first, not under later when she is rereading it does she get that the jury was racist. 

Round 2

F: Points out the passage, ” Some people are born gifted…” she likes it because not everyone is created equal, we are all different. Some of us need more support while some do not need any. It makes a lot of sense that all men are created equal in the courtroom, but nowhere else

A: We all wish we lived in a world where we are all treated nicely. Agrees with Faith on how honest the reality of things and that it is not sugar-coated. 

F: This goes to show what Atticus is trying to accomplish. Tom is not treated as equally as others, both because of race and because of his physical disability. 

Lanie: Points out the fact that the kids were sitting up in the colored section, breaking boundaries, 

F: Agrees

A: Didn’t like the fact people gave up the fact that people gave up their seats. Racism is taught. Talks about how Jem wanted Atticus to win. They wanted to have a good ending. 

F: Likes how the book shows the hard truth about racism. It is a good idea to read the book to show how racism is and was. That racism exists and should be talked about 

A: Struck a chord because their mom is someone who works in the court that protects people of color or disability, It hit a personal chord. 

Lanie: He just wanted to help the girl he was accused of raping. 

A: Makes a connection to Lennie and curlys wife. How she used her status to threaten those around her. 

F: Does this happen now?

A and Lanie: Yep

A: Atticus’s speech brings light to how the world is still racist and bad things occur. 

F: In the courtroom, these things need to be pushed aside and people need to be treated equally 

A: Yes, don’t use differences to advantage

F: Points out how bias the jury was 

Dr. F: Voter suppression was not a thing then, and it was not a surprise that there was no one of color on the jury

Breakout Group 3/4

Hannah Foleck (writer) , Emily Kile, Lauren Reiff, Katherine Blair

L: Connection with Tom Robinson, with arm and the systematic institutionalized racism, especially in the court case. We associate doctors with healers so when we see doctors being evil there is a break where people find it hard to believe. We want to trust our doctors but when it comes to racism or disability there can be lying. There were experiments done on slaves like the nazi experiments

K: the sanbow stereotype, trauma of capture shock and resistance led to the degraded mental state of slaves. Learning about the history of slavery we learned about the poor treatment, but we often gloss over the mental trauma

L: people who kept slaves used the mental trauma as a confirmation bias, when the phys issues emerge from the abuse and rape, they would use this as a reason to keep slaves because they are incapable of taking care of themselves.

H: This would give them a reason to do experiments on other people such as slaves or people with disabilities  

L: comparison to nazis in the way that there are experiments done on people because they are viewed as less than

E: slavery and insitutionalization of people with disabilities and the experimentation is all rooted in taking away the agency of people with their own bodies

L: when someone fought back against the experimenters they would physically disable them to keep them docile for the experiments so they couldn’t fight back.  

E: nazis experiments was rooted in the american eugenics experiments, many of these theories came from america

L: medical records were kept incredible, eugenics was viewed as a very respected field

H: They did not see people who were different to them as real people which allowed them to do these experiments and treat them worse without feeling badly about it

P: connections between eudenicists vs societal impules, slavery compared to the holocaust 

L: “white medicine” vs “black medicine”, viewed as not even human, as though their bodies would not respond the same way with the same medicines. Afircan american people being responsible for their own medicines and not even being treated. 

K: mixed children not truly belonging anywhere, not one really wants them because they don’t belong to the black people or the white people

H: the dad having to pretend he is a drunk in order to be accepted for having mixed children

K: a black person is the same as any person all people lie and there are always bad people, essentially separating him from everyone else

L: Toms hand, the disability emerged from working conditions gives people a reason to separate him even further

K: using his disability as a valid point as to why he couldn’t have done it, and people dismissing the only piece of valid evidence. Interesting how Tom explained his story, May made the first move on him so she had to respond in this extreme way, by accusing him and her entire testimony was made up of lies. 

H: once they started this lie they couldn’t back down, they needed everyone to believe them otherwise they become even less than they already were. There is a sense of shame that comes from being interested in a person of color or someone who is different from you.

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